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		<title>Comment on IS CAREERS ADVICE IN SCHOOLS EFFECTIVE OR IS IT TOO EARLY TO SAY? by Dr Penny Wolff</title>
		<link>http://montrose42.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/is-careers-advice-in-school-effective-or-is-it-too-early-to-say/#comment-3167</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr Penny Wolff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I note that Lord Nash&#039;s credentials in this important area are many years experience as a venture capitalist.  He has made significant donations to the Conservative party, and his ennoblement  in January 2013 coincided with his appointment by Mr Gove to the Department of Education with responsibility for schools.  It seems a little unclear at the moment how his role overlaps with, or is separate from that of David Laws.

I await his contribution with interest, especially as he apparently (and enthusiastically ) supports the view that physics, chemistry and biology are completely separate subjects and should be treated as such in the school curriculum.  This notion is completely antithetical to the developments  in science which have been witnessed over the last 50 years at least.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I note that Lord Nash&#8217;s credentials in this important area are many years experience as a venture capitalist.  He has made significant donations to the Conservative party, and his ennoblement  in January 2013 coincided with his appointment by Mr Gove to the Department of Education with responsibility for schools.  It seems a little unclear at the moment how his role overlaps with, or is separate from that of David Laws.</p>
<p>I await his contribution with interest, especially as he apparently (and enthusiastically ) supports the view that physics, chemistry and biology are completely separate subjects and should be treated as such in the school curriculum.  This notion is completely antithetical to the developments  in science which have been witnessed over the last 50 years at least&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>Comment on PERFORMANCE RELATED PAY IN EDUCATION-NO CONSENSUS ON MEASURING VALUE ADDED  OR ON FAIREST  SYSTEM FOR  REWARDING  TEACHERS PERFORMANCE by Carmon</title>
		<link>http://montrose42.wordpress.com/2012/12/18/performance-realed-pay-in-education-no-consensus-on-measuring-value-added-or-on-the-fairest-system-for-for-rewarding-teachers-for-performance/#comment-3099</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carmon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very nice write-up. I certainly appreciate this site.
Keep it up!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice write-up. I certainly appreciate this site.<br />
Keep it up!</p>
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		<title>Comment on RESEARCH SHOWS MISALIGNMENT BETWEEN YOUNG PEOPLES CAREER ASPIRATIONS AND LABOUR MARKET DEMAND by RESEARCH SHOWS MISALIGNMENT BETWEEN YOUNG PEOPLES CAREER ASPIRATIONS AND LABOUR MARKET DEMAND &#124; Montrose42&#8242;s Blog &#124; Apprenticeship Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RESEARCH SHOWS MISALIGNMENT BETWEEN YOUNG PEOPLES CAREER ASPIRATIONS AND LABOUR MARKET DEMAND &#124; Montrose42&#8242;s Blog &#124; Apprenticeship Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on THE BLOB AND ENEMIES OF PROMISE by Dr p</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this, just further evidence (if such were needed)that turning education into a political football is a futile and damaging exercise which is potentially detrimental to the outcomes for children. 

How does the Secretary of State reconcile his self-serving agenda and over - generalisations about the political leanings of academics in education
with his educational background which he claims to be the best in the UK.  Didn&#039;t they teach him anything about critical thinking at Oxbridge?  Perhaps a visit to Finland could be helpful.......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this, just further evidence (if such were needed)that turning education into a political football is a futile and damaging exercise which is potentially detrimental to the outcomes for children. </p>
<p>How does the Secretary of State reconcile his self-serving agenda and over &#8211; generalisations about the political leanings of academics in education<br />
with his educational background which he claims to be the best in the UK.  Didn&#8217;t they teach him anything about critical thinking at Oxbridge?  Perhaps a visit to Finland could be helpful&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on LORD ADONIS –EDUCATION, EDUCATION ,EDUCATION by Immigration Lawyer London</title>
		<link>http://montrose42.wordpress.com/2012/09/17/lord-adonis-education-education-education/#comment-2894</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Immigration Lawyer London]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2013 09:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You could certainly see your expertise in the work you 
write. The sector hopes for more passionate writers such as you who aren&#039;t afraid to mention how they believe. At all times go after your heart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could certainly see your expertise in the work you<br />
write. The sector hopes for more passionate writers such as you who aren&#8217;t afraid to mention how they believe. At all times go after your heart.</p>
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		<title>Comment on IMPACT OF ICT IN SCHOOLS by language assistants visa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[language assistants visa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 04:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After looking over a number of the articles on your blog, 
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		<title>Comment on TWIGGS POLICY-NOT AGAINST ACADEMIES BUT COLLABORATION IS KEY TO SUCCESS by JoeN</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JoeN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The skilled and professional teachers I was fortunate enough to work with during almost 20 years in the classroom thought &quot;collaboration&quot; was something that happens under occupation.

Mr Twigg seems to be ignoring the reality that precious few academies exist in isolation. Most function as part of a larger group or chain, with a consciously shared identity and culture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The skilled and professional teachers I was fortunate enough to work with during almost 20 years in the classroom thought &#8220;collaboration&#8221; was something that happens under occupation.</p>
<p>Mr Twigg seems to be ignoring the reality that precious few academies exist in isolation. Most function as part of a larger group or chain, with a consciously shared identity and culture.</p>
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		<title>Comment on TEACHING QUALITY AND CONTINUING PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT by auntiecod</title>
		<link>http://montrose42.wordpress.com/2013/03/16/teaching-quality-and-continuing-professional-development/#comment-2875</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[auntiecod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2013 12:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the performance of the least effective 10% of teachers were brought up to &#039;average&#039; then the &#039;average&#039; would be higher than it is now and they would still be in the bottom 10%. I know we are all really bad at Maths in England (politicians who want everyone to be better than average included) but I do think that good CPD needs to be informed by and include accurate use of statistics and a full understanding of what average (mean, median and mode) means, and how it works - particularly if we want to be able to evaluate it quantitatively as well as qualitatively. 

There is also the more complex issue of what we think the role of education, schools and teachers are in our society. Should education be a market commodity or a pubic good? Can it be both? The role of schools, what counts as a good or effective teacher and so on will be different depending upon your view here. For example, if you think that it is the role of schools to offer a minority an education appropriate for political leadership and to initiate the majority into the values, attitudes and behaviour appropriate to their role as producers, workers and consumers, then the approach to curriculum development through outcomes, the view of community as territory and marketised networks, and effective teaching as a reproduction of centrally directed pedagogies are what count as good and effective. If you think that the role of the school is to initiate individuals into the values, attitudes and behaviour appropriate for active participation in democratic (in the widest sense) institutions and processes, then the approach to curriculum through process and praxis, a meaning of community that emphasises personal networks and relationships and teachers as professional and autonomous agents are what count as effective. I present this polarised view to make a point - situations are more complex, but we can&#039;t have both transformation, creativity, critical thinking  AND high compliance and accountability against non-negotiated standards that are not professionally owned. In terms of measuring pupil leaning, the same arguments apply - are we only measuring the anticipated and measurable or are we accounting for the unanticipated and unmeasurable? Democracy requires citizens who can think critically, whilst the market needs consumers who can be easily influenced by media and advertising - including parents, pupils, teachers and head teachers in our increasingly marketised education system. What is deemed important enough to measure, and which instruments are deemed to be the best ones for measuring are also to a large extent determined by your view of what an educated citizen looks like and what schools are for. 

So - what counts as good CPD, what counts as a measure of effective teaching and learning  depends upon your ideological position and what you think schools, teachers and pupils are for and what the point of any of them is......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the performance of the least effective 10% of teachers were brought up to &#8216;average&#8217; then the &#8216;average&#8217; would be higher than it is now and they would still be in the bottom 10%. I know we are all really bad at Maths in England (politicians who want everyone to be better than average included) but I do think that good CPD needs to be informed by and include accurate use of statistics and a full understanding of what average (mean, median and mode) means, and how it works &#8211; particularly if we want to be able to evaluate it quantitatively as well as qualitatively. </p>
<p>There is also the more complex issue of what we think the role of education, schools and teachers are in our society. Should education be a market commodity or a pubic good? Can it be both? The role of schools, what counts as a good or effective teacher and so on will be different depending upon your view here. For example, if you think that it is the role of schools to offer a minority an education appropriate for political leadership and to initiate the majority into the values, attitudes and behaviour appropriate to their role as producers, workers and consumers, then the approach to curriculum development through outcomes, the view of community as territory and marketised networks, and effective teaching as a reproduction of centrally directed pedagogies are what count as good and effective. If you think that the role of the school is to initiate individuals into the values, attitudes and behaviour appropriate for active participation in democratic (in the widest sense) institutions and processes, then the approach to curriculum through process and praxis, a meaning of community that emphasises personal networks and relationships and teachers as professional and autonomous agents are what count as effective. I present this polarised view to make a point &#8211; situations are more complex, but we can&#8217;t have both transformation, creativity, critical thinking  AND high compliance and accountability against non-negotiated standards that are not professionally owned. In terms of measuring pupil leaning, the same arguments apply &#8211; are we only measuring the anticipated and measurable or are we accounting for the unanticipated and unmeasurable? Democracy requires citizens who can think critically, whilst the market needs consumers who can be easily influenced by media and advertising &#8211; including parents, pupils, teachers and head teachers in our increasingly marketised education system. What is deemed important enough to measure, and which instruments are deemed to be the best ones for measuring are also to a large extent determined by your view of what an educated citizen looks like and what schools are for. </p>
<p>So &#8211; what counts as good CPD, what counts as a measure of effective teaching and learning  depends upon your ideological position and what you think schools, teachers and pupils are for and what the point of any of them is&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on MUTUALISM, CO-OPERATIVES AND THE PUBLIC SECTOR by how purchase hcg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[how purchase hcg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 01:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on PERFORMANCE RELATED PAY-CONCEPT STRAIGHTFORWARD -PRACTICE PROBLEMATIC by Joe Nutt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Nutt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2013 22:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a really helpful analysis of just how complicated the issues are Patrick. I&#039;d add a couple of thoughts. 

Firstly, I think it&#039;s easy to underestimate how many teachers choose the profession because they regard it is as a positive alternative to commerce. They prefer a working environment which doesn&#039;t measure their performance closely, or link it tightly to remuneration. In a 2004 publication, &quot;The Work of Advanced Skills Teachers&quot; commissioned by CfBT, the researchers used a questionnaire in which they asked Advanced Skills Teachers to rank statements about knowledge, skills and understanding. Respondents were asked to rank a list of types of knowledge according to how important they felt they were in their work. The hightest ranking by far was &quot;Excellent knowledge of your specialist subject or area&quot; which gained a 72% response. The lowest ranking statement at 1% was, &quot;Being able to identify and challenge under-performance in others.&quot; Far from being the collaborative, collegiate, chummy school-improvement-angels ASTs were conceived of as being, they actually saw themselves as primarily subject experts who had no business trying to improve colleagues&#039; performance. 

Secondly, any attempt to introduce performance related pay linked, however slightly, to pupils&#039; performance or results, teaches children the wrong lesson. Whether you succeed or fail isn&#039;t down to you: it&#039;s down to your teachers. In sport we call it blaming the ref and regard the competitors who do it with appropriate contempt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really helpful analysis of just how complicated the issues are Patrick. I&#8217;d add a couple of thoughts. </p>
<p>Firstly, I think it&#8217;s easy to underestimate how many teachers choose the profession because they regard it is as a positive alternative to commerce. They prefer a working environment which doesn&#8217;t measure their performance closely, or link it tightly to remuneration. In a 2004 publication, &#8220;The Work of Advanced Skills Teachers&#8221; commissioned by CfBT, the researchers used a questionnaire in which they asked Advanced Skills Teachers to rank statements about knowledge, skills and understanding. Respondents were asked to rank a list of types of knowledge according to how important they felt they were in their work. The hightest ranking by far was &#8220;Excellent knowledge of your specialist subject or area&#8221; which gained a 72% response. The lowest ranking statement at 1% was, &#8220;Being able to identify and challenge under-performance in others.&#8221; Far from being the collaborative, collegiate, chummy school-improvement-angels ASTs were conceived of as being, they actually saw themselves as primarily subject experts who had no business trying to improve colleagues&#8217; performance. </p>
<p>Secondly, any attempt to introduce performance related pay linked, however slightly, to pupils&#8217; performance or results, teaches children the wrong lesson. Whether you succeed or fail isn&#8217;t down to you: it&#8217;s down to your teachers. In sport we call it blaming the ref and regard the competitors who do it with appropriate contempt.</p>
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